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	<title>Comments on: Action on Poverty</title>
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	<description>General musings from Citizenship Foundation staff</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 10 Feb 2012 03:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike Amos-Simpson</title>
		<link>http://citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/blogs/main/2008/10/15/action-on-poverty/#comment-134</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Amos-Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol I know been thinking about that today! Will maybe reblog if I make sense of any of those thoughts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol I know been thinking about that today! Will maybe reblog if I make sense of any of those thoughts</p>
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		<title>By: Ade</title>
		<link>http://citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/blogs/main/2008/10/15/action-on-poverty/#comment-133</link>
		<dc:creator>Ade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you are right about the 'we' trying to help the helpless 'them' and I suppose the reality of poverty means that it is not an equal playing field. We talk about poverty alleviation as an action we take against poverty and people trapped in it so you are right the debate itself needs to be re-shaped - what can we do? Something to pass the power back so that people can do something to alleviate their own poverty I suppose (that all sounds great in theory but how it will work in practice is the real issue!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you are right about the &#8216;we&#8217; trying to help the helpless &#8216;them&#8217; and I suppose the reality of poverty means that it is not an equal playing field. We talk about poverty alleviation as an action we take against poverty and people trapped in it so you are right the debate itself needs to be re-shaped - what can we do? Something to pass the power back so that people can do something to alleviate their own poverty I suppose (that all sounds great in theory but how it will work in practice is the real issue!)</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Amos-Simpson</title>
		<link>http://citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/blogs/main/2008/10/15/action-on-poverty/#comment-132</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Amos-Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think sometimes the discussion of how "we" can help people "suffering" from poverty needs to change more towards understanding that most of those people are just getting on with their normal lives.

Rather than simply considering what 'we' can do to 'help the suffering people' more effort needs to be put on letting people get on with it themselves and letting them identify what additional support they feel they need (something that can only happen at a very local level in my opinion before corruption or bigger interests come into play).

I think the point about Youth Act is very relevant - over the years we did courses with Youth Act groups there were clear differences between those groups that wanted to campaign on an issue they were genuinely interested in and those who chose a topic just because they had to as part of the process. This links nicely back to my first point to question how many well intended services are given over to communities that actually don't want them?

Part of the problem with the notion of "we helping" is the implication "they helpless", yet in those communities are highly intelligent, highly motivated people capable of helping themselves. So I wonder sometimes whether the debate should be what we can do? or whats stopping them from doing it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think sometimes the discussion of how &#8220;we&#8221; can help people &#8220;suffering&#8221; from poverty needs to change more towards understanding that most of those people are just getting on with their normal lives.</p>
<p>Rather than simply considering what &#8216;we&#8217; can do to &#8216;help the suffering people&#8217; more effort needs to be put on letting people get on with it themselves and letting them identify what additional support they feel they need (something that can only happen at a very local level in my opinion before corruption or bigger interests come into play).</p>
<p>I think the point about Youth Act is very relevant - over the years we did courses with Youth Act groups there were clear differences between those groups that wanted to campaign on an issue they were genuinely interested in and those who chose a topic just because they had to as part of the process. This links nicely back to my first point to question how many well intended services are given over to communities that actually don&#8217;t want them?</p>
<p>Part of the problem with the notion of &#8220;we helping&#8221; is the implication &#8220;they helpless&#8221;, yet in those communities are highly intelligent, highly motivated people capable of helping themselves. So I wonder sometimes whether the debate should be what we can do? or whats stopping them from doing it?</p>
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		<title>By: Forever young &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Action on Poverty</title>
		<link>http://citizenshipfoundation.org.uk/blogs/main/2008/10/15/action-on-poverty/#comment-131</link>
		<dc:creator>Forever young &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Action on Poverty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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